MBAOh man, I was almost giddy when I read this this afternoon.

I’ve been saying this exact same thing about MBAs and folks considering going to “business school” or even “back to school” for nearly a decade.

The truth is that the relevance of the technical training allegedly offered by the MBA was always overblown.

The empirical evidence on the contribution of the MBA to individual career performance … doesn’t exist. In fact, if the relevance of an M.D. to the performance of doctors were even half as unsubstantiated, we’d probably be fantasizing about tossing a few physicians in jail, too.

They don’t even mention what a rip-off it is too…

My most recent “rant” along these lines was in a comment on Trevor’s Financial Nut blog from a few months ago where I laid it out pretty bluntly:

This is a touchy subject for a lot of folks…

For me, I am *so* thankful that I never had to resort to student loans… I certainly wouldn’t find myself in the same situation that I am now — and it’s been over 10 years since I’ve been out of school. Student loans would have crippled me financially.

That said, going into debt for a degree isn’t a bad idea but it’s not a great idea either.

Going into debt for grad school or an MBA, on the other hand, is stupid. VERY stupid.

Here’s why — there is NO guaranteed return on that investment. None.

Anyone bantering around the idea of “going back to school” years after they’ve already graduated is kidding themselves, really, let’s be honest.

They’re not going to be handed a better job or a higher paying job just because they have another degree. It doesn’t work like that…

It’s almost as if people in their 20’s are under the impression that an MBA is like a ticket to a six figure salary and a signing bonus… Sure, it may work for some, but most of them will find themselves working alongside schleps with BA’s in Art History — except they’ll also have a 6-figure student loan balance that they’ll spend the rest of their lives paying down…

Worth it?

Not to me.

Anyway, not that stuff on CNBC or are worth paper they’re not even printed on anymore, it was refreshing to finally see something in such agreement with my perspective of things.

I’m gonna quote the whole thing since I’ve found that CNBC likes to update (and remove) content on a pretty regular basis:

The economic crisis has exposed the myth of business-school expertise.
by Matthew Stewart

Put your ear to the ground near any business school campus, and you will hear the sound of another bubble about to pop. The MBA will soon be joining equities and house titles in the museum of formerly overvalued pieces of paper.

The problem in the short term begins, like so many other fine things these days, in the financial sector. Over the past two decades, about one-third of graduates from top business schools took jobs in finance. But banking will never be what it once was (we can only hope), and consulting—the other major consumer of MBAs—is reeling, too. Couple declining demand with the fact that at the onset of a recession, the supply of students actually rises as the prospectively unemployed look for ways to fill in gaps in their CVs, and “shorting” the MBA looks like a compelling near-term trading strategy.

The really grim news for the MBA, however, is about more than short-term trends. Isn’t it just a little suspicious, after all, that the sector that showed the greatest appetite for MBAs was the most grotesquely mismanaged? In fact, the economic crisis has exposed long-standing flaws not just in the modern approach to business education but in the very idea of business education.

The truth is that the relevance of the technical training allegedly offered by the MBA was always overblown. The idea that there is some body of knowledge pertaining to business management that can be packaged up and distributed to the business universe in two-year course-lets—well, it sounded good about a century ago, when it was first conceived. Maybe it still had merit when the schools were turning out only a few thousand graduates per year. But it certainly stopped making sense well before the schools achieved their current level of production of a whopping 140,000 or so graduates per year. The empirical evidence on the contribution of the MBA to individual career performance seems to bear this out—mainly because it doesn’t exist. In fact, if the relevance of an M.D. to the performance of doctors were even half as unsubstantiated, we’d probably be fantasizing about tossing a few physicians in jail, too.

The other truth helpfully revealed in the throes of the crisis is that ethics and integrity and social responsibility aren’t just optional extras for good business management—unless by “management,” you mean “looting.” Managers don’t need to be trained; they need to be educated—in the sense of “civilized.” Unfortunately, a business degree isn’t just irrelevant to that purpose; it’s positively detrimental.

Now, to be fair, people don’t behave like jerks just because they spend two years in business school. After all, as many of my business school friends have pointed out, most of the first year goes into heavy partying, and the second year is really a marathon job fair. No, for the most part, people behave like jerks because nobody stops them from doing so. The charmers at AIG walked away with multimillion-dollar second homes as a reward for exposing their institution and the entire financial system to outrageous risks because it was (so far as we know) a perfectly legal way to make money. The whizzes at Goldman Sachs hedged their supersize profits with underpriced, implicitly publicly backed insurance from AIG for the same reason.

If we ask why no one stopped these people, however, we come right back to business school. It was the market fundamentalism that dominates business school thinking that assured us that markets are self-regulating. It was the management myth—the idea that there is some specialized, teachable body of expertise that constitutes management—that confirmed the strange notion that these people were capable of regulating themselves. And it was the shareholder-value model from Business 101 that said all you need to do is load up managers with tons of stock options and they’ll be sure to do the right thing. These aren’t just ideas that happen to be taught at business school; these are the ideas that provide the rationale for the existence of the schools. The only semblance of a theory behind modern business education is that it purportedly produces “experts” in shareholder-value maximization who are capable of forming an ideal, self-regulating market.

It’s a neat theory, of course, and pretty radical, too. But not since the fall of the Soviet Union has a system of belief woken up with so many parking tickets on its windshield.

The reality is that business school is now chiefly a community of intention. It brings together people who share certain career aspirations—for the most part, to make big bucks—and occupies their time teaching them a few technical things that they don’t need to know, along with a code of conduct that says, in essence, whatever is legal is ethical; and if it makes money, it’s a positive duty. It’s now clear that we would have all been much better off if, instead of cloistering these people on fancy campuses with world-class golf courses, we’d have sent them off to do two years of national service.

For the benefit of beleaguered business school academics, it’s worth pointing out that a world with fewer MBAs is not necessarily a world without business studies. On the contrary, once researchers dispense with the idea that they have to package their material for the purported benefit of junior managers everywhere, they could actually study business. Maybe they could even learn to criticize it. Maybe they and their students could even learn to report on it, the way that journalists used to do.

In the meantime, since the national-service idea probably isn’t going to gain much traction, I suggest that it’s time to go long on the humanities. Now that we’ve tried business with savages, perhaps it’s time to give the educated a shot.

Overvalued pieces of paper… Ha! I love it…


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  1. Ha!! I love it, I studied for my GMAT and then went all out applying for MBA programms then I started at this school. I quit after taking my first course.. First, it was too easy not learning shit for my money. I might be a little biased because I have a business undergrad and I can tell you getting an MBA for a person who did their undergrad in business is worthless. I see no value in it. It seems like that “Masters” program should not be called that. it should be called: “Vocational Traning in Administration”.

  2. Absolutely true… the author did a fantastic job in explaining the Ponzi scheme driven with the help of an MBA tag. I too did MBA and now seriously thinking i did a big mistake.. MBA can be beneficial for people who don’t mind having shallow subject knowledge and getting screwed for that.. in short lazy… In simple words MBA is simply TIMEPASS

  3. the problem with MBA is that they have a god complex that would give god a complex. They are idiot know-it-alls in absolute love of the sound of their own “self belived” “heaven-sent” voice. 90 % could be classified under numerous sections of the DSM4. 95% stand a hell of a good chance of ending up in jail. I would compare them to the mafia but I really do think the mafia is a better class of people. They have zero sense of what is practical. Theay do not give a damn about what anyone else has to say ( they define that as leadership). Laws . professional duty mean nothing. Shareholder ROI is the ONE AND ONLY thing. They make me want to puke!!!

  4. I am currently finishing a part-time MBA at a typical university. My undergraduate degree is in electronic engineering which I have put into practice for more than ten years. While I do not intend to pursue a job in finance and do not particularly like managing people, I believe that the courses will make me a better engineer by making me more well-rounded and self-aware. In turn, I will be rewarded with compensation and responsibility. It isn’t always fair, but this is generally how the business world works. You can get a lot out of a part-time education if you attempt to apply the tools that you learn to the environment in which you work. I could see an MBA as a complete waste of time for someone without several years of experience in their chosen field.

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